{"id":522,"date":"2017-07-31T16:50:21","date_gmt":"2017-07-31T23:50:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.scholarsonline.org\/Blog\/?p=522"},"modified":"2020-01-01T16:44:27","modified_gmt":"2020-01-02T00:44:27","slug":"socrates-argumentation-method-madness-or-something-else","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.scholarsonline.org\/Blog\/?p=522","title":{"rendered":"Socrates&rsquo; Argumentation \u2014\u00a0Method, Madness, or Something Else?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The common understanding of basic terms and ideas is often amiss. Sometimes that\u2019s innocuous; sometimes it\u2019s not.<\/p>\n<p>Many in the field of classical education tout what they call the Socratic Method, by which they seem to mean a process that draws the student to the correct conclusion by means of a sequence of leading questions. The end is predetermined; for good or ill, the method is primarily a rhetorical strategy to convince students that the answer was their own idea all along, thus achieving \u201cbuy-in\u201d, so to speak. As rhetorical strategies go, it\u2019s not really so bad.<\/p>\n<p>Is it also good pedagogical technique? I am less certain. The short-term advantage of persuading a student that something is his or her own idea is materially compromised by the fact that (on these terms, at least) the method is fundamentally disingenuous. If the questioner feigns ignorance, while all the while knowing precisely where these questions must lead, perceptive students, at least, will eventually realize that they are being played. Some may not resent that; others certainly will, and will seek every opportunity to disengage themselves from a process that they rightly consider a pretense.<\/p>\n<p>Whether it\u2019s valid pedagogically or not, however, we mustn\u2019t claim that it\u2019s Socratic. Socrates did indeed proceed by asking questions. He asked them incessantly. He was annoying, in fact \u2014\u00a0a kind of perpetual three-year-old, asking \u201cwhy?\u201d after each answer, challenging every supposition, and never satisfied with the status quo or with any piece of accepted wisdom. It can be wearying to respond to this game; harried parents through the years have learned to shut down such interrogation: \u201cBecause I said so!\u201d The Athenians shut Socrates\u2019 questioning down with a cup of hemlock.<\/p>\n<p>But the fact is that the annoying three-year-old is probably the most capable learning agent in the history of the world. The unfettered inquiry into why and how \u2014 about anything and everything \u2014 is the very stuff of learning. It&#8217;s why young children learn sophisticated language at such a rate. \u201cBecause I said so,\u201d is arguably the correct answer to \u201cWhy must I do what you say?\u201d But as an answer to a question about the truth, rather than as the justification of a command, it\u2019s entirely inadequate, and even a three-year-old knows the difference. If we consider it acceptable, we are surrendering our credentials as learners or as teachers.<\/p>\n<p>The difference between the popular notion of this so-called Socratic method and the method Socrates <em>actually<\/em> follows in the Platonic dialogues is that Socrates apparently had no fixed goal in view. He was always far more concerned to dismantle specious knowledge than to supply a substitute in its place. He was willing to challenge any conclusions, and the endpoint of most of his early dialogues was not a settled agreement, but merely an admission of humility: \u201cWell, golly, Socrates. I\u2019m stuck. I guess I really have no idea what I was talking about.\u201d Socrates thought that this was a pretty good beginning; indeed, he claimed that his one advantage over other presumed experts was that he at least <em>knew<\/em> that he didn\u2019t know anything, while they, just as ignorant in fact, believed that they knew something.<\/p>\n<p>Taken on this view, the Socratic method is really a fairly poor way of training someone. If you are teaching people to be technicians of some sort or other, you want them to submit to the program and take instruction. It\u2019s arguably not the best tool for practical engineering, medicine, or the law. (There is now a major push in resistance to using any kind of real Socratic method in law school, for example.)<\/p>\n<p>But training is precisely not education. Education is where the true Socratic process comes into its own. It\u2019s about the confrontation of minds, the clarification of definitions, and the discovery and testing of new ideas. It\u2019s a risky way of teaching. It changes the underlying supposition of the enterprise. It can no longer be seen merely as a one-way download of information from master to pupil. In its place it commends to us a common search for the truth. At this point, the teacher is at most the first among equals.<\/p>\n<p>This makes \u2014\u00a0and will continue to make \u2014 a lot of people uncomfortable. It makes many teachers uncomfortable, because in the process they risk losing control \u2014 not necessarily behavioral control of a class, but their identity (often carefully groomed and still more zealously protected) as oracles whose word should not be questioned. It opens their narrative and their identity to questioning, and may put them on the defensive.<\/p>\n<p>It makes students uncomfortable too \u2014 especially those who are identified as \u201cgood\u201d students \u2014 the ones who dot every \u201ci\u201d and cross every \u201ct\u201d, and never seem to step out of line or challenge the teacher\u2019s authority. These are the ones likeliest, in a traditional high school, to be valedictorians and materially successful, according to a few recent studies \u2014 but not the ones likeliest to make real breakthrough contributions. (The recent book <em>Barking up the Wrong Tree<\/em> by Eric Barker has some interesting things to say about this: one can read a precis of his contentions <a href=\"http:\/\/time.com\/money\/4779223\/valedictorian-success-research-barking-up-wrong\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">here<\/a>. Barker\u2019s work is based at least in part on Karen Arnold\u2019s <em>Lives of Promise<\/em>, published in 1995, and discussed <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bc.edu\/bc_org\/rvp\/pubaf\/chronicle\/v4\/N2\/ARNOLD.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">here<\/a>.)<\/p>\n<p>In practical terms, education is a mixed bag.<\/p>\n<p>There is a place for training. We need at least some of the \u201cdownload\u201d kind of instruction. Basic terms need to be learned before they can be manipulated; every discipline has its grammar. I really do know Latin, for example, better than most of my students, and, at least most of the time, what I say is likelier to be correct. But my saying so neither <em>constitutes<\/em> nor <em>assures<\/em> correctness, and if a student corrects me, then, assuming he or she is right, it should be my part to accept that correction graciously, not to insist on a falsehood because I can prevail on the basis of my presumed status. If the correction is wrong, the course of charity is also to assume good intention on the student\u2019s part, and clarify the right answer in my turn. Either way, there is no room for \u201calternative facts\u201d. There is truth, and there is falsehood. The truth is always the truth, irrespective of who articulates it, and it \u2014\u00a0not I <em>or<\/em> my student \u2014 deserves the primary respect. We must serve the truth, not the other way around.<\/p>\n<p>At some point in their education, though, students should also be invited to get into the ring with each other and with the teacher, to state their cases with conviction, and back them up with reasoned argument and well-documented facts. If they get knocked down, they need to learn to get back up again and keep on engaging in the process. It hurts a lot less if one realizes that it\u2019s not one\u2019s own personal worth that\u2019s at stake: it\u2019s the truth that is slowly coming to light as we go along. That\u2019s the experience \u2014 and the thrill of the chase that it actually entails \u2014 that constitutes the deeper part of education. That\u2019s what the true Socratic method was \u2014 and still should be \u2014 about.<\/p>\n<p>Two modes of learning are prevalent today in colleges, especially \u2014 the lecture course and the seminar. In the lecture, the students are, for the most part, passive recipients of information. The agent is the lecturer, who delivers course content in a one-way stream. It\u2019s enshrined in hundreds of years of tradition, and it has its place. But a student who never moves beyond that will emerge more or less free of actual education. The seminar, on the other hand, is about the dialectic \u2014 the back-and-forth of the process. It requires the student to become, for a time, the teacher, to challenge authority not because it is authority but because truth has the higher claim. Here disagreement is not toxic: it\u2019s the life blood of the process, and it\u2019s lifegiving for the student.<\/p>\n<p>At Scholars Online, we have chiefly chosen to rely on something like the seminar approach for our live chats. We have, we think, very capable teachers, and there are some things that they need to impart to the students. But to large measure, these can be done by web-page \u201clectures\u201d, which a student can read on his or her own time. The class discussion, however, is reciprocal, and that reciprocity of passionately-held ideas is what fires a true love of learning. It\u2019s about the exchange \u2014 the push and pull, honoring the truth first and foremost. It may come at a cost: in Socrates\u2019s case it certainly did. But it\u2019s about awakening the life of the mind, without which there is no education: schooling without real engagement merely produces drones.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Many in the field of classical education tout the use of the Socratic Method, by which they seem to mean a process that draws the student to the correct conclusion by means of a sequence of leading questions. 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